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Sexism is complicated. Now excuse me while I put on some Alanis and feed my cats.

9.01.2011

Yesterday I found myself sucked into a little drama around a t-shirt on sale at JC Penney. Maybe you’ve heard about it?

It’s not the first sexist t-shirt that’s bummed me out and no doubt it won’t be the last. But I’m not one to shut up when I see something that pisses me off.

Clearly I was in the majority on this one, but not everywhere. Not at all. A few times, I found myself the single person on a blog trying to explain to a bunch of other moms why no, it’s not “funny,” and that while of course a t-shirt is not the end of the world, it’s worth speaking up about it.

On one blog where I commented, my line of thinking boiled down to this:

We live in a world right now that makes it harder and harder for girls to want to succeed. Snooki is getting more air time than the First Lady, and there’s a pervasive culture of sexuality that children are getting sucked into far before they should.

As a mother of two girls, I find it something I have to battle every day. I have to work so so hard to make sure they know that the messages in the media are not always right. I have to explain away t-shirts that say things like “future gold digger.” Soon, I will have to explain why song lyrics refer to women as bitches and hos.

After that, I will have to explain why it’s not okay to perform sexual acts on a boy just so he will like you. Because that’s the kind of thing girls do, when they believe their only value is how attractive they are.

So is a stupid little t-shirt (promoting everything I find deplorable) the end of the world? Of course not. But it’s symptomatic of a larger problem that only stops when we stand up and say something. And if giant retailers can become part of the solution, promoting more positive messages for girls, our job as moms becomes a whole lot easier. And I think, the world becomes a better place.

We should never stop fighting for the things we believe it. Even if the things you believe in are different than mine.

(Why yes, I  have been reading Peggy Orenstein. Funny you should ask.)

The argument always falls on deaf ears, of course, with rebuttals falling predictably into one of four camps:

1) It’s just a joke and you’ve lost your sense of humor.

2) Shouldn’t you be focusing  on more important issues?

3) It’s a publicity stunt.

4) You have too much time on your hands.

The one thing these arguments have in comment is they aim to discredit the person on the other side of the debate. They never actually make a case for why the shirt should be sold; just why you’re an idiot so shut up already.

At least the one guy on twitter who referenced the free market attempted to say something vaguely original.

You know, I sometimes wonder if people would make the same arguments if the shirt read, oh, say…. I’m Jewish so I don’t have to do homework. My parents are buying my way in.

Or, I’m Black so I don’t have to do homework. I can play basketball!

Some people would say yep. Still funny. And by the way, it’s a publicity stunt and you have too much time on your hands and shouldn’t we be talking about world hunger instead?

Sexism is pervasive. It creeps into our daughter’s lives in stealthy ways, before they’re able to identify it and refute it. Before they’re able to understand irony. Before they’re able to separate out the messages we tell them at home from the ones they see on t-shirts or posters on the subway. Man, if only they were one and the same.

I guess that’s all I’m going for here.

For those women who still ask why we need feminism (or equality, if you don’t like the f word) forget the t-shirt and skip right to any number of posts I discovered yesterday alone.

-The one from Jason Sperber that described beautifully what it means to be a man–having nothing to do with love of sports or beer or engine parts.

-The one defending an ad glamorizing domestic violence. (Because nothing says sexy like a man beating up a woman. Rowr!)

-The one about the guy at an improv show who described a date rape that he had committed as if it were a comedy monologue.

Sheesh, how did I come across all these posts in one day? It was like a giant gender-issue laden meteorite, barreling toward my RSS feed.

I don’t know how to fix it, besides continuing to talk about it and explaining that no, I don’t have other things I should be focusing on right now. This one is just fine, thanks so much for asking.

I do know one thing we can do though: understanding that idiocy knows no gender.

This is not a men versus women thing, although I saw that meme repeated continually yesterday.  One time, disturbingly, it came from from the Women’s Media Center twitter stream. Yes, that Women’s Media Center. (I know!)

It started with a series of tweets about sexism in advertising (yeah yeah, ads can be sexist, same as t-shirts, music videos, and Congresswomen from Minnesota). And then, thanks to my friend Susan, I saw this:

Maybe women ought to break into the field and stop sexist ads from the source?

Are you kidding me?

Yeah, if only I could  get a shot at writing some real copy! Me and the other girls in the steno pool. Then maybe we could put on our pillbox hats and a fancy tweed suit, crash a meeting of men, click our heels three times, and change all sexism in advertising. From the inside, see? Or wait, maybe I’m just not trying hard enough.That’s it. I’ve been given this huge opportunity to personally save the ad world from the evils of sexism, and I’ve squandered it by spending my lunch hour on Facebook instead of slipping copies of Ms. Magazine under the doors of my superiors.

This is 2011, folks. Advertising is not sexist because men are writing ads. The same way t-shirts are not sexist because men are designing them.

Messages are sexist because people are sexist.

Messages are sexist because people are lazy. They fall back on stereotypes because it’s easy to get a laugh, easy to get an idea approved, easy to move onto the next thing on your to-do list.

I know because I’ve done it.

Hey, it’s easy to make a joke about men who love cats or White Zinfandel or Alanis Morrisette, sometimes all at once.

(See?)

Or sometimes the people creating the messages are simply not that insightful. Or sometimes they’re just not that smart. It’s not a man bad, woman good thing, and if we think it is then we’re falling into stereotypical traps that are just as bad as the one we’re supposedly fighting.

The reason brands like Nike and Dove and Ikea have traditionally done such strong advertising is because very very smart, insightful people, work very hard to come up with good ideas, and then very smart, insightful clients work very hard to champion them and ram them through the system.

I have had male clients who fought tooth and nail to promote progressive values in their ads. I have had female clients who believe only 19 year-old anorexic blondes can represent their products.

It’s complicated.

But here’s the big secret that no one ever wants to say out loud.

Know where good ideas die?

With you.

The consumer.

The moms.

You ask, why is it always women doing the shopping in ads? Why is it always the women doing the laundry and straightening the kids’ rooms?

I’ll tell you why:

Because consumers like it that way.

There have been times that I have fought hard for ads that promote progressive, contemporary views of women and family, gotten it through some dubious marketers, and remarkably, into a focus group of consumers.

That’s when the pain begins, on the other side of the two-way mirror.

If you put an ad featuring a man grocery shopping into a focus group, the first thing that happens is the women roll their eyes. Then they talk about how their husbands rarely do the shopping. Then they talk about how when their husbands do go shopping, they get the wrong things. Then they all laugh and high five and dig into the bowl of MnM’s and we move onto the next ad while my client thinks, told you so. We move onto the storyboard featuring the mother shopping, maybe while her kids whine a little or pull things off the shelf when she’s not looking.

That’s the one that elicits the smiles, and the response, oh yes. I can relate to that.

And there’s your ad, ladies.

Maybe that JC Penney tshirt was created the same way. By a bunch of women who scribbled a line down, laughed, and thought I can relate to that.

So where does sexism end? When we all say we’re not buying it. We’re not buying the t-shirt, we’re not buying the stupid ad, we’re not buying the message that our girls should only be valued for their looks, their kindness, and their housekeeping skills.

When there’s no buyer, there is no seller.

And so yesterday, I spoke up.

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Tammie September 1, 2011 at 1:01 pm

Liz, your writing is always so outstanding and the true test of that to me is that you have the best comments of any blog I’ve read. I don’t have anything to add to this topic that your or other commenters haven’t already said except when I initially saw this in the Shine section of Babble, I was dumbfounded that the first five pages of comments out of some 2000+, were overwhelmingly in the “it’s a joke, lighten up” camp. I quit reading after that.

What you say about voting with our dollar is true, but it saddens me to see that there seem to be equal numbers of voters out there buying this stuff for their kids.

Also, that monologue video about the date rape was the creepiest thing I’ve seen on the internet.
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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 1:06 pm

Thank you Tammie – nice to see your name here.
I am also awed by the thoughtfulness of the commenters here. I’ll take my little audience over that one at Yahoo any time.

And yeah, the video…eek. I know some of those guys from UCB. I could feel their discomfort and it was painful.

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Evin Cooper September 1, 2011 at 1:46 pm

I have two daughters and it’s a struggle to buy them clothes that aren’t just flat out stupid. I bitch that Daddy gets mad when I buy them pink sparkly things (because I like pink sparkly things!) and he buys them stuff from the boys department, but really, if I want my girls to be dressed in a way that doesn’t basically turn them into walking advertisments for a dumb slutty stereotype, we really DO have to shop in the boys’ department.

The Bratz dolls and Diva shirts and even the Disney princesses are doing SO much to eff up our daughters – and our sons! When my son sees Tinkerbelle being a hateful, jealous little bitch, he thinks all girls act that way. A shirt like the JC Penny’s one tells my son that he’s going to have to do his sister’s homework, because she’s too dumb.

I want my son to be the type of guy to say “I don’t care how pretty you are, do your own homework” and I want my daughters to say “I already did my homework, kiss my ass.”

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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 9:07 pm

If your son and daughters turn out to be those kinds of people, they will rule the world.
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Sarah Moon September 1, 2011 at 1:57 pm

I cheered. Yes. Brilliant!

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Loukia September 1, 2011 at 1:57 pm

Fantastic post, as usual, Liz. I wrote something about this, too, linking back to you, of course, because, well… you said it best of all.

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kdiddy September 1, 2011 at 2:07 pm

“They never actually make a case for why the shirt should be sold; just why you’re an idiot so shut up already.”

YES. Okay, so you don’t think it’s bad, then tell me why it’s good. And “it’s funny” isn’t an answer because it’s not even that funny. It’s sexist AND it’s stupid and a lazy attempt at humor.

And there’s absolutely nothing anti-free-market about consumer outrage leading to a company ceasing the sale of a product. At no point, did anyone involve any governing body. We simply said, “We, the majority of your customers, will not buy this or any other product from you because we are offended that you would sell this to us,” and then left the ball in JCP’s court. They CHOSE to remove it, which sounds pretty free market to me. I tell you, as a pinko, I’m getting tired of explaining capitalism to people who supposedly love it so much.
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Yvonne DiVita September 1, 2011 at 2:09 pm

I had a really long rant…in support but also adding thoughts about other ways our girls are being inundated with the wrong messages. I deleted it because…although writing it made ME feel better…the tone wasn’t right.
This is a great forum to discuss ways we can create the positive, supportive messages we want our daughters to learn – as well as a place to stand against messages that go the wrong way.
Thanks, ladies!
Now… are we all going to boycott the new TV series based on the Playboy Club? AND…the new series about flight attendants – both of which are so off-base and insulting, they make me cringe.
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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Have you seen the Pam Am series? I went to a screener of the pilot and it’s not insulting. It’s kind of campy retro-fun. And at least it’s for adults. Although it could use a better script…

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Yvonne DiVita September 1, 2011 at 2:29 pm

Hmmm… while the Pan Am series MAY be for adults, a LOT of young girls will be watching. I have only seen commercials and I find them insulting and obnoxious, and too sexually oriented. Having lived through the days – when you had to be thin and PRETTY and under 30 to be a flight attendant, I find it interesting that you think this is campy retro-fun. What’s the difference, seriously?
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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 8:26 pm

Good question Yvonne.

To me, a show like Pan Am, from what little I’ve seen, is a period piece (no pun intended) – it takes place during a time that women were treated far less equally than they are today, and it offers commentary on that through parody and camp and [nudge nudge nudge wink]. I believe a show about a sexist industry is not the same as a sexist show.

I also happen to be okay with sexy shows, and Desperate Housewives (though I don’t watch it) and Louis CK routines and The Family Guy. I am 100% for irreverence when it’s done well. Don’t ask me to try to define it too much though! Like that old saying about porn, I know it when I see it.

And, back to my title, this is why it’s all so complicated.

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Tere September 1, 2011 at 2:32 pm

This is so excellent; thank you for putting it so precisely and so eloquently.
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Tammie September 1, 2011 at 2:37 pm

Liz, your writing is always so outstanding and the true test of that to me is that you have the best comments of any blog I’ve read. I don’t have anything to add to this topic that your or other commenters haven’t already said except when I initially saw this in the Shine section of Babble, I was dumbfounded that the first five pages of comments out of some 2000+, were overwhelmingly in the “it’s a joke, lighten up” camp. I quit reading after that.

What you say about voting with our dollar is true, but it saddens me to see that there seem to be equal numbers of voters out there buying this stuff for their kids.

Also, that monologue video about the date rape was the most vile thing I’ve seen on the internet.

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Becky September 1, 2011 at 3:03 pm

I cannot say how much I agree.

I spent many years working in a bookshop, and now work in publishing. I got SO TIRED of parents/grandparents picking out the pink books for girls and trucks for boys. (Without the kids prompting the choice.) Lots of people blame the publishing industry for the *sparklepink* phenomenon, but every single focus group shows that, for example, people will NOT buy a book with a girl as the main character for a boy, especially over the age of five. Just won’t.

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GaranceD September 1, 2011 at 3:14 pm

Let me comment on one minor point out of this article about a much larger issue. The article says:

“The one thing these arguments have in comment is they aim to discredit the person on the other side of the debate. They never actually make a case for why the shirt should be sold”

Stores are FULL of products where I don’t have any idea why they are sold. If I can’t come up with any reason for THIS product to be sold, that is just one more product out of thousands of products which seem pointless to me. There are entire stores where every single product in the store is pointless to me. But I can’t go raging at every single product which makes no sense.

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GaranceD September 1, 2011 at 3:25 pm

Or to say it another way: I don’t like this T-shirt. But then, I probably don’t like many other T-shirts that are sold at JC Penny, and which aren’t as sexist. If I’m not defending the sale of ANY of these T-shirts, then it is totally insignificant when I do not defend the sale of this specific T-shirt.

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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 3:44 pm

One could conceivably defend a shirt in the name of fashion, irony, freedom of expression, promotion of an important viewpoint, the support of garment workers, manufacturing quality, value, or simply the fact that it’s cute and affordable.

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Amy from Resourceful Mommy September 1, 2011 at 3:27 pm

I’ve always said that it has been one of the greatest gifts of my life that I am perfectly average looking because I know that people will take me seriously.

That sucks.

But not as much as that shirt.

Thanks for a great post, Liz.
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Jayme September 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm

My daughter just turned one. I cringe to think what it will be like in 5 years, 10, 20. Everyone calls her pretty, I call her smart. Someone got her a baby doll and shopping cart for her as a birthday gift, I returned it and bought her books. I’m a stay at home mom, so I already feel like I’m going to be fighting popular opinion when trying to convince her that women are no longer relegated to the kitchen. Thank you for standing up, as we all should. It’s 2011, for Christ’s sake. Sexism, in any way, on any platform, is unacceptable. Let’s stop teaching our children that it’s funny.

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tracey - justanothermommy September 1, 2011 at 5:18 pm

I’ve read a lot of posts about this, but I like yours the best. You rocked the points and have me wanting to high five you, now. But not over M&M’s. Yuck.

There was a commercial for GoGurt (I think) that I got excited about. It showed a dad packing the son’s lunch and he kept finding notes saying “Don’t forget the GoGurt!”

“How cool!” I thought. “They’re showing a father PARENTING. Awesome.”

Then I saw it again and saw that the notes were from his wife. His wife who obviously knows what an incompetent father he is that he cannot figure out to pack a GoGurt into his kid’s lunch box.

Sigh…
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sashalyn September 1, 2011 at 5:24 pm

thank you for this amazing post, that got me to thinking…
it’s really hard to talk about sexism without talking about all prejudices, inequalities, etc., isn’t it? as i was cleaning my dining room (the in-laws are coming tomorrow) i realized that it really, truly is about power and dominance, all of it. whenever a woman is dismissed as less intelligent, an african american male is called a “boy”, whenever a rape victim is blamed for his/her attack, whenever a father who doesn’t fit the mold of “dominant male” is marginalized, every time we use the words “gay” or “retarded” in a derogatory manner, every time a young latino man is automatically assumed to be in a gang- it is keeping that power and dominance of the wasp male in place. it is not about not having a sense of humor, or having too much time on our hands, or being better than everyone else… it’s really about dismantling the pervasive culture that gives certain people privilege while keeping others down. if there weren’t those who were “less than”, those who benefit from the current patriarchal, capitalist, homophobic, racist, able-ist (the list goes on and on…) structure of our society fear they would “lose everything”. it really is about fear. eve ensler said (i can hear the backlash for invoking her in this rant now), “It seems to me there’s this tyranny that’s not accidental or incidental, to make women feel compelled to look like somebody they’re not. I think the effort is being made to get us to turn our time and attention to this instead of important political issues.” it is a diversion. it is an effort to having us devote our strength and energy to pleasing the dominant culture (as mentioned in your post, ourselves included!) we don’t want to be called names. we don’t want to have our motives criticized or devalued. we often sit in silence, rather than speaking up, when we see injustice being perpetuated. we think, “that’s not MY issue, so why should i get involved?” we must get involved. always. for everyone. until everyone is given value and rights, none of us will be completely free. /end rant
(i am purposefully not going back to edit this comment for errors, because i don’t want to sensor myself, and fear that if i go back, i might. sorry grammar police! i’m usually one of you!)
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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 8:16 pm

Wow Sashalyn. Amazing. You and my mom would get along just fine.

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Brenda September 1, 2011 at 5:36 pm

Oh dear. I just showed the t-shirt to my 12 year old. She can’t see anything wrong with it, and wants one (could be the mention of Justin Beiber…). And I thought I was bringing up a smart, hard-working girl who understood her own value. Sigh, more work to do!

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Lorette Lavine September 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm

This is such a great discussion…the shirt is offensive to me not funny. It is not just the feminist thing that is bothering me…it is the whole concept behind the statement.
Just as you said…if you are a college athlete you are privileged in college when it comes to grades and class attendance. None of this makes too much sense to me. What do we place value on???
I am in teaching and healthcare and would not want a teacher, nurse or physician who did not truly earn his/her degrees.
I am glad the shirt is no longer available.

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Sharon September 1, 2011 at 6:43 pm

Liz, this post is right on! I am a preschool teacher who is also the parent of three teenagers, so I am familiar with how sexism impacts both children and teens in our society. (And no, Yvonne, I don’t think it is easy to be a young mother today – between the technology and cultural messages available, our young children are being exposed to things that we couldn’t even fathom “back in the day”.)

I really appreciate that you mentioned the importance of teaching your daughters that it is not necessary to be sexual with a boy to gain their approval. That, to me, is the biggest issue I have with things like this T-shirt. We are sending a message to our daughters that it is OK to be an “object” and to our sons that it is OK to view and treat women as “less than”.

And, yes, I do discuss song lyrics with my teens! Especially when we hear a bouncy song (Enrique’s “Tonight I’m F____ You” comes to mind) with lyrics that I consider to be disrespectful to women. My kids roll their eyes a little bit but the important thing is that we are having that conversation.

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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 9:09 pm

What a cool mom you are, Sharon.

And teenagers terrify me. Just saying.
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Marta September 1, 2011 at 6:53 pm

I feel like I can’t contribute anything more to your brilliant post, or the other comments. Perhaps I’m too pretty to contribute. Maybe because it’s engrained in our brains that somehow we’re not enough and someone else will come and say something cleverer than you, so its’ best to keep silent. I don’t know where I was taught this message, but somewhere in my subconscious it exists. When people talk politics, or religion or any sensitive subject my brain tells me not to join in. Even if I have an opinion. Because this is a conversation for smarter men to have than little old me. I hate that.

My daughter is turning a year old in a few weeks and I wonder, what kind of message is she going to get? Will she let her older brother take the conversation by virtue of his age and gender? Will she lean towards the message that looks and sex are the only way for a woman to get to the top? Will she ever make as much money as her male counterpart? I can only hope for the best, for my verbal opinion of course could never matter.
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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 8:13 pm

The great thing about parenting, Marta – you don’t just hope for the best. You actually get a chance to influence her values.
Believe in yourself. It’s the best way for her to know that she can believe in herself too.

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BusyDad September 1, 2011 at 7:28 pm

Know what’s sad? JC Penney will probably get some good press for “doing the right thing” by pulling this shirt. And I’ll bet you their designers are hard at work drawing up the next “girl power” cliche empowerment sweatshirt to show their commitment to this. And then they’ll turn this into a “how to leverage a PR disaster into a win” case study, and of course, more sales. Kind of like the prodigal son-esque, this whole thing. They had to do something bad before they could be recognized for doing something “good.”

And in the meantime, Abercrombie breathes a sigh of relief and puts in another order for girls’ push-up bikinis.
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Catherine Evanoff September 1, 2011 at 8:14 pm

Thank you! As someone born in the 50′s, I’d hoped these battles were behind us. So I thank you for for realizing that while this matter seems “trivial,” we must continue to say “this sends the wrong message.”

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Dorf's Daughter September 1, 2011 at 8:46 pm

Two amazing children, each unafraid to speak truth to power. When we try to teach our children to find their voices, we fail to remind them that it won’t be easy. They will upset the status quo; they will makes enemies they never even knew; they will have moments of doubt. But they will never retreat, because once you ‘ know’ you can never, ever ‘not know’ without making yourself sick. You are beautiful inside and outside, Liz. Sexism, racism, homophobia-all have been issues you’ve fought against. I’m proud to stand behind you or next to you. But never in front of you, because you have led the way for all you life.

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Mom101 September 1, 2011 at 8:54 pm

This is the comment every daughter hopes to hear from her Mom one day.

Thank you.

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Kristen September 1, 2011 at 9:14 pm

Liz, this post is outstanding, but this comment for your mom has me weeping. Wow.

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sashalyn September 1, 2011 at 9:32 pm

i am crying, too. being the voice for those who are marginalized is a heavy burden, but with support like you have from your parents and your readers, you have a strong base to operate from. i am honored that you would say that your mom and i would get along- i will continue the good fight each and every day, in every way, in hopes that our daughters will have the time to innovate, create, and change the world- without having to worry about trying to fit into an impossible mold. like your mom said, liz, you are beautiful, inside and out- and i believe that every woman and girl has this in her. every one.

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toyfoto September 1, 2011 at 9:12 pm

I tend to dismiss T-shirts like these, unfortunately, although I do cringe when the “I’m a princess” shirt winds up in a bag of hand-me-downs. But I applaud you for taking a stand. I really take for granted my place in this world. I have a husband who cooks and grocery shops and does laundry from time to time.

Sometimes we all need reminders that sexism is not only complicated, but it can show up at times and in place where you least expect it.
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Ron September 1, 2011 at 10:00 pm

Wonderfully expressed post, Liz!

I love your passion.

And I have to agree with you 100% on the shirt.

It’s these ‘little things’, which over time subliminally affect the way we see ourselves.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said….

“You ask, why is it always women doing the shopping in ads? Why is it always the women doing the laundry and straightening the kids’ rooms?

I’ll tell you why:

Because consumers like it that way.”

Exactly! Because it’s comfortable. It’s easy. Humans beings love categories and roles. It’s safe.

“That’s the one that elicits the smiles, and the response, oh yes. I can relate to that.”

Bingo!

I honestly think we’ve gone backwards in our thinking. We have tried to get away from the typical 50‘s ‘Donna Reed’ image of what women are suppose to be like, only to come back to the beginning of the cycle.

And being someone who has been in the beauty industry for over 25 years, I see this kind of thing constantly and it truly irritates me because the industry just keep perpetuating what women are supposed to be through ads, and they keep buying the ‘image.’

“So where does sexism end? When we all say we’re not buying it.”

Thank you!
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Jane September 1, 2011 at 11:09 pm

Kudos to you! This is wonderfully written. As I read it, I was thinking of counter-arguments and at every step, you addressed what could have been a debate point. I love how you think and I will keep in mind — as a consumer — what you have said. Thank you so much for you insights.

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Karen September 1, 2011 at 11:45 pm

Bravo –

What I don’t think many people realize is that everywhere we go, there is an always subtle, and sometimes overt, message to women and girls that we are somehow ‘less than.’ We see it in our clothes, our toys, our lunch boxes – hell, our underwear – that THIS is what we’re “good for.” Women and girls are meant to be in a certain box and not to be taken seriously or make any attempts to break out of that box.

Our daughters deserve better.
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MB September 1, 2011 at 11:49 pm

It’s not just sexism against women that’s out there anymore.

Sexism against men is gaining ground. Anyone remember the commercial from Windex: “If only your husband worked as hard as windex”? A good number of commercials construe men as lazy, dumb creatures easy to fool. Take a look at some of the Zoosk commercials as well.

If the first thing through your head when you read that windex line was, “But they are!” then you are just as guilty as men are of being sexist. This is no different from the thinking of the 50′s and 60′s that did the same to women. The same rules apply, including the belief that if you hear it enough, it must be true. Boys are already starting to lose ground in schools in test scores, and women are a majority in a lot of co-ed universities. My first exposure to women trying to take their sexist frustration out on men as 20 years ago in college when a women’s studies teacher marched into the class (of mostly women) on the first day and proclaimed, “White men men are the ruin of all civilization!!!” and dared the guys to try and defend themselves.

So it’s not just women being the targets…

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Mom101 September 2, 2011 at 6:53 am

I agree to some degree and other commenters have made similar points. We have to do better by our boys as well. But I tend to bristle at comparisons of the subjugation of a minority (or a group not in power) to the finger-pointing at the majority.

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Rock and Roll Mama September 2, 2011 at 3:34 am

I’m glad you spoke up, and that I saw it through you. I’m glad I have moms of girls who think like me, and feel that the more “Subtle” forms of telling our girls they are not enough are worth calling out.

The part that slays me is how many DIDN”T GET PULLED on the same site. I felt slightly sickened as i made the collage of screenshots that is my homage to dumbassery, but it also made me think. About how many unicorn or peace sign shirts my 7 yr old daughter needs. About why my 5 yr old son rocks an “I Love Data” shirt, and one with an earth about changing it.

I take my girl to Girls Rock! Camp shows, but am I doing enough to reinforce that they rock on so many levels- math levels, science levels, kick your butt at business levels- instead of falling into simplified “Go Girls Yeah!” messaging, that may only serve to make my sons feel diminished.

So basically, it made me think. Which I like, despite its exhausting qualities. So let me say: MOMS WHO PAY ATTENTION AND TELL OTHER MOMS ON FB ROCK! Thanks, LG.:)

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deborah l quinn September 2, 2011 at 4:35 am

Wonderful post and great, thought-provoking comments. There are times when I’m glad I have sons, even though I am almost always wistful about the daughter I don’t have…but I figure my ultimate, most important feminist act, will be to raise my boys into men who think that shirts like this (and those with “juicy” and “princess” and “diva” and etc) are crap. I do, however, disagree with the idea that feminism is simply advocacy directed at elevating women…Feminism as I choose to define it, and as I define it for my students & my kids, has to do with bringing equality of access and opportunity across lines of gender, race, class, sexuality. Which means dads staying home full-time while moms work, letting gay men & women marry and raise children…etc etc. And, yes, it absolutely means standing up against products and attitudes that demean and demoralize…and maybe (to the shock of many, I know) even using HUMOR to explain why a particular point of view is a problem. So perhaps the only good thing that could be said to come out of this ridiculous product is a stronger commitment from those of us who do the shopping to buy products whose attitudes we support.
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Biddy Greene September 2, 2011 at 5:06 am

Just want to say thanks for this. You’re creating awareness and that’s the beginning of change.

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Roxane September 2, 2011 at 6:20 am

Yes!! You go girl! As a momma of a little baby girl (5 months) we’re still new to all this, but already Daddy knows that he should praise his girl for being smart (or, being able to touch her feet), and not for the pretty dress she’s wearing.

My personal dresscode, by the way, is comfortable and easy: my job at the University requires me to be smart, not pretty, so I wear jeans, a t-shirt and sneakers. Just like the boys do :)

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Klara September 2, 2011 at 6:51 am

you are absolutely right! our creepy world is full of pedofiles and so on… don’t let the risk grow. it’s insane what nowadays happens with the children-fashion. our daughters aren’t sexual object!peace

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Carolyn September 2, 2011 at 8:43 am

I have to say I enjoyed reading your piece on this subject after I saw the countless articles about this T shirt yesterday. I have to wonder if the designer thought they were doing girls a favor by inferring that they were in fact smarter than boys and thought that people would be in on the joke (the ones that would possibly be offended) and it backfired in their face. Either way it is clueless, or at least an ill guided attempt to be cool with kids despite what the parents think as it has been demonstrated that tweens/children have great influence over what their parents buy. Which is where we come in as parents and explain why something may not be a good idea and hope that they listen.

I have made it a point to not purchase any slogan shirts for my kids as I think they are tacky almost all of the time. Personally, I have a long standing love for bumper stickers, quotes, etc so while I love items that make a statement, I don’t want them on my kids until they are old enough to understand what that statement is. I about died a couple of years ago when I came across a tee in the clearance section of Old Navy Girls that read “Hot to Trot” with a horse on it. Am I so old that I was horrified and no one understood that one? What about all these tees with statements involving “…my brother” or “..my sister” that totally reinforce the negative aspects of sibling relationships? I always see those at many retailers. Or my favorite.. “I have autism – what’s your excuse?” I’m sorry, but as the mother of 3 kids with autism I cringe when I see those. That just seems wrong on so many levels. NOT funny.

Thanks for the thoughtful piece.

- Carolyn
mom to 2 girls, 2 boys

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Angelique September 2, 2011 at 9:47 am

I have a two – almost three year old daughter, (as well as a 4 month girl) and she’s definitely “girly-er” than I’ve ever been. Your post made me realize I need to wake the h*ll up and realize that yes, I do compliment her profusely on her shoes just to get her to put them on without throwing a fit. And yes, I make a big deal about how great she looks in a pony tail just so I can keep her hair out of her eyes. And no, my lame occasional reminders that compassion and other invisible things are more important have not been nearly as significant as the oooohs and aaaaahs over superficial accomplishments. So, I’m snapping out of it. thanks

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Mom101 September 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm

That’s so cool Angelique.

I love the woman on twitter (wish I could remember who!) who reminded me to ask girls what books they like to read, not how they like their hair.

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Tinne from T and T September 2, 2011 at 9:54 am

I couldn’t agree with you more! That shirt is wrong on many levels.
When I was younger I was mocked by girls who’se personal credo could have been that t-shirt.
Well guess who is the pretty one with the well paying job now huh! That is right the one who did her homework.

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Karen September 2, 2011 at 10:53 am

One more thought…..there is a national organization named Girls, Inc, and they have programs for girls. One of the programs they are trying to launch is a media literacy curriculum for girls starting at age 8. http://www.girlsinc.org/girls-inc.html

There is also a movie out that took prizes at the Sundance Film Festival named Miss Representation. http://www.missrepresentation.org/home.html

There are people out there fighting the good fight.
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Mom101 September 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm

Thanks Karen! Love it.

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Bernadette Noll September 2, 2011 at 11:30 am

Yes. We can speak up with our pocketbooks. We can not get the Disney channel that tells our daughters that only dumb insipid pretty girls get what they want. We can avoid the popular chain stores that tell our 8 year olds they need a padded bra. And we can tell our daughters NO. We don’t do it that way in our house. They might argue at first but eventually they’ll get it. They’ll get why we fight these fights against the status quo. Thank you for this brilliant post.

Bernadette Noll Austin, TX

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Jen G September 2, 2011 at 12:16 pm

Thank you for so many good points. I always enjoy the shards of brilliance posted here, too.

I also have 2 daughters, they are 12 and 15. We talk a lot about how products influence who we are and say things about us. My girls are beautiful, but both struggle mightily with their looks — I think it is just part of growing up and feeling awkward. Both went through this starting around 12 years old. They started being embarassed by everything – their hair, what clothes others were wearing, how other girls in the locker room had bodies that were different than theirs…

These ideas start young. Kids notice so much that you don’t realize. Comments on TV, words on the cover of magazines in the grocery store (read all the covers one day, especially the ones with cleavage on the front, and know those words are rattling around in your 12 year old’s head).

Is this one shirt the end of the world? no. what about “cute butt” sweat pants for 11 year olds? (available on abercrombie.com) or shorts for 15 year olds that have a 1 inch inseam?

Individually, no — not the end of the world.

It is the collection of messages that build up in their minds, that cloud the messages of love and self-acceptance that good parents try so hard to instill in their kids. It chips away at them until they break and parents can (hopefully) pick up the pieces.

Nothing, not any book or blog or tweet, prepares you to hold your daughter while she cries about hating herself for not being pretty enough, not being smart enough, not coming anywhere close to some imagined ideal.

Was it because of a t-shirt? No.

It is because life is complicated, sexism is complicated and growing up is damn hard.

I am just saying that it would be really great if the world would (instead) conspire together and just be a little nicer and a little more realistic about how totally average and boring we all are.

I think we would all be a little happier as a result.

Jen
@IC_Jen

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PopMommy Pam September 2, 2011 at 12:27 pm

I also wrote about this shirt yesterday. I agree with you that it’s appalling. My post was about raising a girly daughter who loves pretty things and wants to be pretty. The issue comes in when advertising/society/PEOPLE want to convince her that pretty equals dumb. Or pretty equals lazy. Or irresponsible. Or sexual, etc. Of course, I disagree.

She can be girly and smart. She can get her nails done and ace her math exam. I don’t like when people go to the other extreme and, for one example, knock Taylor Swift for having CoverGirl as her concert tour sponsor. There was a Huffington Post writer who told moms not to attend her show because there were CoverGirl makeovers in the lobby which gave little girls the wrong message.

I’d love to hear what you think about that, Liz. We do have to stand up to these sexist messages. But we don’t have to take the “girly” away to create strong, smart, independent women.

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Mom101 September 2, 2011 at 2:25 pm

I agree with the idea that pretty is fine. It is. Makeup is fine and wanting to feel good about how you look is fine; as long as that is not the biggest priority in your life. Sounds like your girl is on the right track.

I liked the huffpo piece, though. Her point was that she was hoping to see a talented singer sing inspiring songs, and instead found the spectacle and the sponsorship overwhelmed the event. I didn’t think she was trying to take away girlie; I thought she was saying that when “get your makeup done” is the predominant message to very young girls, we’re missing an opportunity to communicate messages like “write great songs” or “work hard toward fulfilling your dreams.”

Did you read it differently?

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Chara September 2, 2011 at 2:21 pm

I would just like to let you know that I’m completely with you on this. It pisses me off to no end that we put up with crap like this. I was talking to a friend about it the other day on FB and I can’t tell you how many friends spoke up. It’s disgusting.

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6512 and growing September 2, 2011 at 4:30 pm

Thank you, thank you and thank you again.
Sexism is alive. And when you’re bringing up a daughter who is 4 years old and already in love with the idea of being pink and beautiful, it’s a scary force.
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Noel September 2, 2011 at 4:52 pm

Yes, excellent points (love the fervor!), and would like to add some more food for thougt. For one, it is true that the few media corporations that generate most of the marketing in the country are ran by older white men, so it does make some sense to me to try to balance the powers that be with more diverse leadership. That said, stereotyping actually pays off for marketers, so that is why they do it, and it works out great for them if consumers keep buying into such stereotypes. So yes, if we as consumers stop buying sexism, that will certainly make a difference, but fundamentally we need to begin valuing people over wealth to create lasting change. It is much easier for companies to market products if they can boil down “masculinity” and “femininity” to a few traits and then market to 1-2 different type of guys or girls than a diverse market of 20+. Also, marketing messages aren’t sexist because people are lazy or not that insightful-quite the opposite. Everything about marketing is intentional. The Dove Real Beauty campaign that supposedly celebrates women for who they are and promotes social change, is not a result of some enlightened group of marketers who worked hard to push forward a great idea. Dove is owned by Unilever, the same company that makes Axe products for teen boys and relegates women to sexual objects solely for men’s pleasure. This is because Unilever is trying to create marketing campaigns that sell to a cluster of stereotypes- appealing to the hypermasculine guy, the “I wanna be loved for who I am” woman, and even the “sensitive” guys (Dove carries a “men’s plus care” line that has the same ingredients as their “Axe Detailer” products that they want the hypermasculine guy to buy so he spends as much money on his skin as he does on his car…) http://maggiebrookes.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/body-image-messages-from-unilever-dove-and-axe-promotional-controversy/

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Mom101 September 2, 2011 at 6:03 pm

Noel, please see my comments above (somewhere) about Dove/Axe. Having worked in marketing and advertising for 20 years, I can”t agree with you that that’s how or why things work; or about such a cynical assessment of Dove. There are a ton of inspired, inspiring, dedicated, progressive amazing people at advertising agencies (and in brand positions) trying to use the soapbox to promote values they believe in. That’s how Dove came about. That’s how some of my campaigns have come about. Ad creatives are generally less interested in stock prices than in art and communication–for better or for worse.

And trust me, people who settle for the proverbial first idea (often sexist, stereotypical, or cliche) are lazy. Ideas get fresher the more you think about them.

That said, I think we come from the same place with the same goals in mind. I really appreciate your comments.

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Audrey September 2, 2011 at 4:53 pm

I really appreciate this post — when I react to things like this, I feel like the wack-o mom. And I admire that you’re not apologizing for standing up about this.

Two few years ago, when my daughters were 3 and 5, we were in the women’s locker room at our local recreation center. We happened to end up near the scale, where literally every single woman walked up, weighed themselves, and then sighed, commented, or… Finally two teenage girls commenced a typical, “I’m so fat,” “Oh my god I can’t believe you’d say that! I’m fat!” “You are so NOT fat! Look at my thighs!” Of course my girls had their eyes glued on the older girls. I asked them (probably more shortly than I meant to!) not to talk like that in front of my two little daughters. They did stop, though they were shocked and who can blame them, because this is such a common conversation between woman! Another mom there with her daughter thanked me for speaking up. I asked a manager about putting up a note or something asking women to remember to project positive body images, especially with little girls around. She looked at me like I’d lost my mind.

But generally I feel good about speaking up, and I love this conversation. I gave those two teenagers something to think about, and my kids will at least be aware of these kinds of sneaky pressures (along with how crazy their mom is!). People like you bringing this up, and engaging in conversation about it, is an important part of changing the culture and imparting a new awareness to our children. Thank you!

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Babs September 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm

Yes, we are the problem and the solution. I gave up Real Housewives for this very reason. I won’t consume this anymore, not even “just for fun.”

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Miranda September 2, 2011 at 9:08 pm

As the Mother of a 3 year old molestation victim, I cannot agree with you more. I am disgusted that young children, specifically girls, have been turned into sex objects. It’s a depraved, twisted mentality and I think it absolutely starts with something as small as a t-shirt slogan. I would never buy this shirt.

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Luda September 2, 2011 at 9:47 pm

I wrote a post about this yesterday as well. I did not explore the serious implications that a shirt such as this represents, like you did, but I did want to stop by and commend you for so well articulating my thoughts on the subject. It’s like you’re inside my head. And that means I like you so can we be best friends?

Also, if you haven’t seen this, please watch it. It’s amazing and really fits well into this whole issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6wJl37N9C0
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Mom101 September 3, 2011 at 12:17 pm

Wow thank you Luda. That video is wonderful.

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anymommy September 3, 2011 at 2:18 pm

I had lots of thoughts, including that my initial reaction was: who is responsible? the marketers or the consumers? I found your focus group perspective very enlightening. But then my four year old boy asked me what I was reading and I told him that I was reading and thinking about a t-shirt with unkind words on it. He asked me what it said and (keeping it simple) I told him that it said that people who were pretty weren’t smart and we knew that wasn’t true. All kinds of people are smart. And all kinds of people are pretty and everyone needs to do their work because learning is exciting.

He said: “I know that. You’re pretty and smart and Saige is pretty and smart.” I thought, here we are, raising kids and making changes, one child at a time. But then I told him that he was pretty and smart too and he told me emphatically that only girls are pretty.

Touche, Quinn. Well played.

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Margie September 4, 2011 at 1:47 pm

Yes! Yes! Yes! And I will do my best to continue to use my dollars wisely and talk with people, including my daughter, to help move us along! As always, thank you for your clear, wise, sharp thoughts.

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Mindy September 4, 2011 at 8:41 pm

Amen, and thank you. I am also the mother of two girls, and I am so happy to know that there are others out there fighting the good fight.

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Mom101 September 4, 2011 at 9:44 pm

Thanks Mindy. And best of all, the mothers of boys on this thread are fighting the fight right along with us.

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